Answer: (responding to a general question posed by an Illuminatist operating under an alias):
Have you looked into the Nibiru Conspiracy? Sometimes referred to as ‘Nemesis‘ or ‘Eris’. I actually asked two astrophysicists about this (just a chance meeting); their answer, eventually, once I’d managed to frame the question in a fashion they understood and they’d given me all the extra terminology (such as what an ‘AU’ is in astrophysics), their answer was ‘maybe’. I’ll let you look into it; the bottom line on Planet X boils down to ‘Doom Planet’.
Illuminatus: (operating as a skeptic):
I can’t believe any astrophysicist would give any credence to Nibiru. It’s supposed to be a “12th” planet within our solar system – so any competent astronomer would be aware of it. Its orbit would have to be utterly bizarre, and probably defying the laws of physics, for it to come anywhere near us. What astronomers worry about is stuff heading our way from deep space that they can’t see and track yet: they’re not concerned about anything in an orbit in our own solar system.
Besides, earth has probably already suffered a planetary collision with a planet called Thea; the collision that produced the moon. If such a collision took place again, all human life would vanish. Arguably all life of any description would become extinct on earth. No conspiracy is going to keep that a secret!
Does Nibiru get hooked up to the New World Order and the Illuminati and the Reptilians somehow?
“Nibiru’s orbit around the Sun is highly elliptical, according to Sitchin’s books, taking it out beyond the orbit of Pluto at its farthest point and bringing it as close to the Sun as the far side of the asteroid belt (a ring of asteroids that is known to occupy a band of space between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter). It takes Nibiru 3,600 years to complete one orbital journey, and it was last in this vicinity around 160 B.C.E. As you can imagine, the gravitational effects of a sizable planet moving close to the inner solar system, as it is claimed for Nibiru, could wreak havoc on the orbits of other planets, disrupt the asteroid belt and spell big trouble for planet Earth.”
Eh? Sounds like complete bullshit!!! Are they saying that Nibiru is going to collide with the earth, or that’s it’s going to collide with another planet that will then somehow affect the earth, or that it’s going to direct an asteroid in our direction, or that it’s going to alter gravity for the earth? One thing’s for sure – ancient Sumerians or Mayans wouldn’t have had a clue what “Nibiru” is going to do since they weren’t aware of half of the planets back in the day, never mind a rogue planet like Nibiru! Also, if it completes an orbit every 3,600 years then that means it has does its thing loads of times before – so why are we suddenly worried this time around? It doesn’t make any sense at all.
I’ll tackle Nibiru in reverse order…
Yes! The ancient Sumerians did indeed know about the solar system; they have a number of detailed astronomical charts that clearly show the sun and planets. The Mayans too were excellent astronomers; see the 2012 Mayan Calendar Conspiracy.
No, Nibiru is not meant to hit the earth; the elliptical orbit carries it near to the out range of the asteroid belt, not within; the Sumerian tablets translated by Sitchin describe the Annunaki crossing the asteroid belt ships to reach Earth.
Yes, of course it’s all hooked up with the Illuminati and the lizards: depending on who you listen to, the Annunaki are the lizards and the Illuminati are the last of their human servants. Another version has it that the Annunaki are the giants and the lizards another species, either from another dimension or from the Hollow Earth. There are variants on these two main themes; some have it that the lizards are coming, others that they are already here, and so on and so forth.
Planetary collision; by the figure 3600 years, Nibiru has theoretically passed close to the Earth at least three times in recorded history. Therefore: No, not all life would be extinguished. There are odd records around these times of comets and extreme weather, a couple of minor cataclysms, but no conclusive evidence.
Elliptical Orbit: The theory is that about half of solar systems are dual-binary, having two stars. The idea is that the Earth is unusual in having only one sun, and that somewhere out in the Oort Cloud or the Kuiper Belt (the outermost clouds of dust and asteroids that ring the solar system) there could be a large low-mass ‘aborted star’. The evidence for this is the slightly elliptical nature of the orbits of Pluto, Neptune and Uranus, as if something in the outer solar system were perturbing them.
This is what I put to the astrophysicists; they said that in theory the Oort Cloud is far enough out and dense enough that we could not reliably detect an object as big as Jupiter by the most commonly used means, and that people were studying just that sort of question. Whether or not Nibiru was barrelling towards us didn’t come into the question; I was just curious if the basics of the theory were plausible. Apparently they are; “Maybe,” said the astrophysicists.
So, is the theory that the Sumerians and Mayans were better astronomers than the ancient Greeks (who never mentioned Nibiru), and, more importantly, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo etc? Bear in mind that western European astronomers only discovered Neptune in 1846, and that they were led there by Newton’s gravitational theory, which had revealed oddities in the orbit of Uranus, suggesting that another hitherto unknown planet was causing the effect. Bear in mind also that western astronomers had telescopes – and there’s no evidence whatever that anyone prior to them did. Also, given the Hubble Telescope and the work of many observatories, I don’t think any astronomer would claim that an aborted star is hiding in our solar system – well, apart from Jupiter itself, of course.
Anyway, doesn’t this all sound rather like Ron L Hubbard’s Thetan theory? Are the anti-NWO all secret Scientologists? The Nazis were quite keen on the Hollow Earth theory. I think Hitler, the SS and various Tibetan monks are hiding down there, powered by Vril!
So, I presume the Reptilians and Illuminati are keeping it secret that an invasion force is on its way from Nibiru? Why didn’t they conquer us last time round? Invasion craft must already have arrived in the past if the Reptilians are walking amongst us now? Why are they having to skulk around if they’re so powerful?
And why haven’t they stopped David Icke yet? Is he the main proponent of this theory? On a scale of 0 to 10, where are you on the Nibiru scale? A firm believer, or a total skeptic?
I’m not a ‘believer’ in anything; if I find an idea or opinion of mine is only a belief, I actively dismiss it as objective fact. I’m happy with the astrophysicist’s answer about Nibiru: “Maybe.”
Thing about all these Conspiracies Theories is that they could be true… but if they are then we will never know and it makes no difference to our lives. I like the sense of mystery; a few hundreds years ago we’d have entertained notions of faeries in the woods, but in the modern day we prefer to contemplate aliens. I am logically sure that there are aliens, and reasonably convinced that intelligent life is more prolific on other worlds than is generally believed, but I suspect that if we were to encounter aliens, it would be a totally mundane process; big media hype, long wait while life returned to normal, then an alien cop appearing in CSI and suddenly your sister is dating one… society would hardly notice. If an alien invasion were touted as a serious threat, it would just replace the myth of terrorists that currently popular.
I don’t know that the Sumerians or Mayans were better than anyone else in particular, just that they were better than they generally get credit for. The Sumerians claimed that all their knowledge of the solar system came from aliens, or so I’ve read.
I’ve heard the idea that Jupiter is a failed star; one thing these astro-boffins I spoke to said was that there’s no working definition between a star and a planet other than apparent size. Jupiter is large enough support a mini-system of moons the size of the Earth, as is Saturn. They didn’t say there was a ‘dead twin’ star out there; just that people had been looking for something like that and that it would not be as easy to detect as we might think. They also said very clearly that it was an ‘idea’, not a ‘theory’.
Re L Ron… I do sometimes have this thought, yes, but there’s no cash-cult operating behind the scenes of the conspiracy circuit. There are a lot of people selling books and DVDs, and some folk get upset about that.
As to the rest, David Icke, the details of interaction between Reptilians and Illuminati, who’s who… that’s where it all become total supposition (as opposed to wild conjecture), and Conspiracy nuts get into long arguments about their own personal version of how it all fits together.
Hollow Earth… I like the Hollow Earth idea. It took me a while to come around to it, and I’m saying nothing one way or the other on inner-earth countries, people, animals, seas, etc. but it does make an odd kind of sense for planets to be hollow, like geodes, and it really is only an assumption that the Earth is a solid sphere; to my knowledge, this is one that no one can prove either way.
Have you got any more conspiracy theories that I ought to know about? I love the way conspiracy theories mutate and become all embracing. For example, the Nibiru theory could be a stand-alone theory, yet suddenly the Illuminati and international bankers and reptilians etc all get thrown into the mix too. You have to admire the ingenuity of some of these conspiracy theories.
It’s not the theories that wacky; it’s the people who sit darkly muttering about them to anyone who’ll listen. A lot of it is based on fairly sound reasoning if unsound facts; a lot is just egomaniacal paranoid drivel. It really depends on who’s spouting it; a bunch of people I know on YT have recently taken a deeper plunge into the crazy pool lately. I’m staying out of their debates. What’s really funny is when you meet someone randomly in normal life who knows about conspiracy theories, whether they believe them or not. Then there’s this tense ‘feeling each other out’ in conversation that basically amounts to whispering, “You know about the lizards, right?” and the person gives it “Shhh!”
New conspiracies… ok, life on the moon? There’s a guy does lectures based on CS Lewis’ Planets Trilogy, basically making a living by saying every word of it is true. Then there’s the other moon landing hoax theory; that the US went to the moon, found something incredible there, and faked the footage to make us all think it was a dead ball of rock. There are some who say the moon is artificial, and that the aliens have a base there. Apparently the gravity-well formed by the moon is the quickest and easiest way to get a shuttle out into space, and whoever controls the moon controls space flight from Earth to Mars.
Obviously there’s life on Mars too; I’m of the opinion that NASA would lie to us regardless and that the idea of a dead, barren universe is far more silly and illogical than the notion that there might be other in our solar system, intelligent or otherwise. That’s just my opinion though; have you seen CSI lately? Looks like Star Trek. Welcome to the 21st Century, we have communicators, all we need are teleporters and aliens and we’ll be off into the new millennium at last.
How’s that for a start?
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